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Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/09/10 10:33:10
1,689 posts

Belgian Chocolate Makers


Posted in: Opinion

Lowe:I think that it is fair to say that there are only two big companies making chocolate from the bean in Belgium. Giving everything else that's going on in the world of artisan/craft chocolate making, saying that there are only two is a stretch. Brad is technically correct when the question of ownership is brought up - while Callebaut has operations in Belgium they are a Swiss company.The list at Wikipedia is wrong: Neuhaus buys its chocolate from Callebaut. I got this information directly from a senior Neuhaus rep from Belgium. Same is true for Dolfin, they buy from Belcolade and I have this from one of the founders of Dolfin. Guylian and Leonidas are also cited in the Wikipedia article but they are not chocolate makers (I checked the Leonidas web site and there is no reference to their being bean-to-bar).The list does include Marcolini and if he's making chocolate from the bean it's in small quantities for his own use, not for resale to others.Callebaut is the one people refer to when they say "Belgium's Finest." Belcolade (owned by Puratos, who also owns Debelis here in the US) is the Susan Lucci of the Belgian chocolate industry. I don't think it's fair to say that all Callebaut chocolates are better than all Belcolade chocolates. I think that there are some things that Belcolade (also sometimes referred to, unfortunately, as "buck a load") does better than Callebaut - but as with many things, that's a matter of personal taste.Feel free to quote me as the source.:: Clay
Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
03/09/10 10:30:30
527 posts

Belgian Chocolate Makers


Posted in: Opinion

My understanding is that Barry Callebaut is Swiss, not Belgian, and have spoken to representatives from Puratos (They own Belcolade), who claim that Belcolade is the only remaining Belgian owned Belgian chocolate company remaining in existenced.I could be wrong though...
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
03/09/10 08:56:55
251 posts

Belgian Chocolate Makers


Posted in: Opinion

I recently read somewhere online that in Belgium there are only 2 companies who make chocolate from the bean. Two I know of are Belcolade and Barry Callebaut.

First of all, is this true? Are there only 2 companies in Belgium that make chocolate from the bean?

Secondly, can anyone point me to where this is written so that I can reference it?

I just can't find the source, either a blog or a website, where I first read this, and it's bugging me.

I'd appreciate your help.

updated by @ChocoFiles: 04/10/15 12:56:49
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/09/10 07:13:32
1,689 posts

Unfair Trade: Does FairTrade Discriminate?


Posted in: Opinion

Wow. What a thought. Is FairTrade discriminatory?

Actually, yes.

The institution of FairTrade (as exemplified by FLO) is, in practice, discriminatory even though this outcome is counterintuitive and unintended. The reason for this is simple: FairTrade is culturally insensitive. The FairTrade standards have two parts, Generic (that apply to all producer organizations and commodities) and Specific (that apply to specific commodities). The standards make no mention of the differences in agricultural culture or markets that exist in different countries.

To suggest that the cocoa culture and markets in Ecuador are the same as Cameroon is absurd. To ignore these differences in official policy is, ultimately, discriminatory.To be truly fair, FairTrade standards would recognize that significant cultural and market differences exist around the world and embed them in their standards - and in the formulas used to calculate premiums.

Now I understand why there is a single standard - it's a matter of bureaucracy and handling paperwork. It's just easier to have a single policy that gets applied worldwide. It also eliminates any protests over favoritism - Ghanaian cocoa farmers would probably complain ifcocoa farmers innearby Cameroon or Liberia "earned" a higher premium, even though by international metrics farmers in these (and other) countries are not as well off.

Nonetheless, the focus on the commodity - and not the culture and markets - leads to the unintended consequence of discrimination through donning cultural blinkers, especially in the minds of consumers: farmers in "developing countries" around the world have exactly the same needs and therefore "benefit" equally from the same premium.In the end, I think, it may be the perpetuation of this stereotype that is the most damaging unintended consequence of FairTrade.

To be honest, this issue is one that has no easy answer when it comes to the creation of a system that can be adopted on a worldwide basis. I've been thinking about this off and on over the course of the last few years.

Any thoughts?

updated by @Clay Gordon: 04/16/15 06:10:12
Matt Caputo
@Matt Caputo
03/12/10 09:54:28
53 posts

Favorite Chocolate Bar Retailers


Posted in: Opinion

Scott,Thanks for the suggestions. Next time you are in SLC stop by and ask for me.Matt Caputo
Matt Caputo
@Matt Caputo
03/12/10 09:53:25
53 posts

Favorite Chocolate Bar Retailers


Posted in: Opinion

Mike,Thanks for the suggestion. If you are ever in Salt Lake, stop by and see us.Matt CaputoDirector of MarketingTony Caputo's Market & Deli www.caputosdeli.com
Matt Caputo
@Matt Caputo
03/12/10 09:52:46
53 posts

Favorite Chocolate Bar Retailers


Posted in: Opinion

Thanks for the suggestions. If you are ever in Salt Lake, stop by and see us.Matt CaputoDirector of MarketingTony Caputo's Market & Deli www.caputosdeli.com
Matt Caputo
@Matt Caputo
03/12/10 09:51:00
53 posts

Favorite Chocolate Bar Retailers


Posted in: Opinion

Thanks Scott. Next time you are in Caputo's ask for me and we can taste some discontinued stuff from my stash.Matt Caputo
Mike3
@Mike3
03/09/10 15:43:32
63 posts

Favorite Chocolate Bar Retailers


Posted in: Opinion

Chocolate Maya in Santa Barbara has a good selection
ChocoFiles
@ChocoFiles
03/09/10 08:48:35
251 posts

Favorite Chocolate Bar Retailers


Posted in: Opinion

Online is Chocosphere. (The Meadow had higher prices than Chocosphere.)Biaggio in Washington D.C. has a great selection and many great events.The Food Emporium in NYC has a pretty wide selection.Here in my area, A Southern Season in Chapel Hill NC has the best selection available locally.
Scott
@Scott
03/09/10 06:39:46
44 posts

Favorite Chocolate Bar Retailers


Posted in: Opinion

Standouts for me have been Cacao (PDX), Fog City News & Bittersweet (SF), and Caputo's (SLC).
Matt Caputo
@Matt Caputo
03/08/10 22:17:29
53 posts

Favorite Chocolate Bar Retailers


Posted in: Opinion

Wondering what are the best shops around the country to buy chocolate bars? Thoughts anyone?
updated by @Matt Caputo: 04/10/15 08:47:52
Nat
@Nat
09/13/10 17:28:36
75 posts

New test improves control of chocolate origins


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

...and to see how much people can modify the flavor or chemical profile of beans from one origin X with fermenting microbes from another region Y to see how close they can get both profiles closer to those of region Y.
Seneca Klassen
@Seneca Klassen
09/13/10 00:09:11
17 posts

New test improves control of chocolate origins


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

Similar techniques have been in use with coffee for some time, and they do help discipline the marketplace by providing third-party confirmation of origin. In the case of coffee I know they're able to get very discreet data (even down to identifying an individual farm's chemical signature), so it'll be interesting to see how this methodology gets applied to cacao and chocolate.
Brian S. Ruggles
@Brian S. Ruggles
09/11/10 21:31:05
7 posts

New test improves control of chocolate origins


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

This is easily the nerdiest view of chocolate I have personally come across, and the nerd in me (easily 3/4 or better) is quite interested.This makes me wonder - do these compounds define much of the flavor that we would normally associate from the terroir? Also, do you think this could lead to synthesizing realistic fine chocolate?Further, has there been any research to discover the chemical nature of the production process as it relates to flavor and aroma? For example, ferment and roast both lend much to the final flavor profiles of Domori and Pralus chocolates, respectively. I wonder whether there has been any research into what chemicals come from these processes that yield such distinct products.Over all, this was very interesting.
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/08/10 11:40:38
1,689 posts

New test improves control of chocolate origins


Posted in: News & New Product Press (Read-Only)

A simple test of volatile compounds in chocolate may serve as chemical tracers to enable better traceability of cocoa and inform consumers of the countries of origin, say French researchers.

Aided by the high fat content of chocolate, which traps all but the most volatile of compounds, researchers from the Laboratoire de Chimie Analytique et Sciences de l'Aliment (IPHC-UMR 7178) in Illkirch report that identification of seven compounds that can be used as chemical tracers.

The method described in this work (hydrodistillation, GC analysis, and statistic treatment) may improve the control of the geographical origin ofchocolateduring its long production process,wrote the researchers, led by Christophe Marcic.

The analytical technique is said to integrate the entire production process for chocolate from bean to processing to final product and distinguishes between chocolate originating from the Caribbean, Madagascar, Africa, and South America.
Consumers have no way of tracing the origin of the cocoa used to produce their chocolate to a particular country, much less a particular site of agricultural production, explained the researchers.

To determine the quality of chocolate and the veracity of labelling, consumers need to be informed of the cocoa production sites country, even more with the rising market of healthy chocolate, they added.

The analysis of the volatile content and their statistical processing by multivariate analyses tended to form independent groups for both Africa and Madagascar, even if some of the chocolate samples analyzed appeared in a mixed zone together with those from America, wrote the researchers.
This analysis also allowed a clear separation between Caribbean chocolates and those from other origins.

The French researchers identified seven compounds, which they proposed as tracers, including linalool and (E,E)-2,4-decadienal), for complete characterisation of the chocolate's geographical origin.

Source:Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry2010, Volume 58, Issue 3, Pages 14781483, doi: 10.1021/jf903471eDifferentiation of Chocolates According to the Cocoas Geographical Origin Using ChemometricsAuthors: A. Cambrai, C. Marcic, S. Morville, P. Sau Houer, F. Bindler, E. Marchioni

The entire text of this article appeared on ConfectioneryNews.com on February 10, 2010.


updated by @Clay Gordon: 12/13/24 12:16:07
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/10/10 06:31:48
1,689 posts

Unfair Trade: Is Fair Trade Scalable?


Posted in: Opinion

Dom:Thanks for the reference to FairTracing.org . There is some very interesting stuff there and the 5percent4Farmers system could be implemented on top of it. I am going to reach out to them to see about collaborating.:: Clay
Dom
@Dom
03/10/10 01:13:33
1 posts

Unfair Trade: Is Fair Trade Scalable?


Posted in: Opinion

Thanks for the very interesting posts on fair trade Clay (and hello from a first time poster, brilliant site).Hope you dont mind if I make a few comments (although I am far from an expert and very happy to be found completely wrong! (my intention is to learn)). Agreed, some flaws with fair trade (ft) concept:1) as you say in another post ft provides a fairer deal for producers in some countries than those in others (given differences in $ purchasing power across different countries);2) as Matt says it fails to incentivise farmers to improve quality (unlike say direct trade concepts) why put in more effort to raise the bar re planting more flavour-some but more labour intensive bean, or say spend more time and effort fermenting if you know you will get the same price as your more laid back neighbor who will just take the easy options? ;3) the farmer could actually be worse off : if every farmers goal is to sell fair trade cacao then wont this cause oversupply given the finite (albeit growing) fair-trade market? So those beans that s-he cant sell fair-trade (if s-he does not belong to a co-operative) will have to be sold on the open market at rock bottom prices given the glut.4) as you have pointed out before, the minimum cacao price contract seems, currently, a pretty rubbish deal after the spoils have been divied up. The ft floor price ($1750 per tonne isnt it? ie $1600 plus $150 premium) has been irrelevant for the last four or five years with open market cacao prices being above the floor (dont know why the floor hasnt been adjusted upwards to take into account of inflation). So the ft advantage for the farmers now (and for the foreseeable future in my opinion as I cant see cacao going down below $1600) comes from the $150 premium which as you point out is currently only about 5% above market. And if prices rise the premium will be even less in % terms. Obviously, when prices were at the $1000 level in the early 90s then farmers were getting a much better deal (when the ft price-premium was 75% above the open market).All this said, I think the fair-trade foundation has done really important work to inform western consumers about the plight of developing world farmers, their miserable wages, living standards, environmental standards etc AND to empower them to demand changes-improvements using their wallet. It is also keeping big business accountable to some extent on wages, the environment etc given the ft certification many consumers now expect from big business.But, I agree ft is mostly for the big boys. Its not really helping the small scale farmer (who as you say find certification costs prohibitively expensive) reach international consumers. Nor is it really helping the ethical chocolate maker or craft producer who pays way above the minimum fair-trade price because they think it is the right thing to do in the circumstances, since their ft logo, if they go for it, will lump them in with all the "no more than $150 premium" corporate buyers. One size cant fit all.As you say Clay no point criticising a system without a better alternative to propose so really interested in your new site, will check it out. PS I came across The Fair Tracing Project a while ago whilst browsing (and no, I have no connection with them!) and I thought there were some great ideas in there. No doubt you have come across it already.Sorry for rambling (especially on a first post)..and sincerely hope I have not offended anyone!Dom
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/09/10 06:41:49
1,689 posts

Unfair Trade: Is Fair Trade Scalable?


Posted in: Opinion

Matt:I have suggested on several occasions that FairTrade actually exerts negative pricing pressure on the market by setting a value on the time and effort involved in the certification process. As some have pointed out (Frederick Schilling for one), this is not the case - FairTrade pricing sets the floor for negotiations. However in some cases (especially with commodity buyers looking to "greenwash" their brands by FairTrade certifying one or a small percentage of their products) FairTrade pricing sets a de facto price cap.Farmers get paid by the pound for their product. Given limited monetary, time, and labor resources they will always opt for a crop that will produce more for a given ratio of money/time/labor to maximize their return. The challenge becomes when the return does not value the investment. A maximum 8% premium - that then is split among many actors (including the certification fee "kickback" paid to the certifier) - is not nearly enough to justify the effort in most cases.In the end, the place to start is the consumer, who needs to realize that in order to help out the farmer we need to pay more for food and value quality. The issue (in the US anyway) is that federal agricultural and food policy for the last 30+ years had focused on delivering cheap calories to the consumer without considering the effects on agricultural workers, their families, and the communities they live in.
Matt Caputo
@Matt Caputo
03/08/10 22:48:29
53 posts

Unfair Trade: Is Fair Trade Scalable?


Posted in: Opinion

Clay,Interesting post. I always hesitate to bring this up because people can react quite vehemently to it, but to me one of the biggest dangers of "Fair Trade" certification is that farmers on plantations growing flavor beans would need to join cooperatives to get the certification and have no incentive to grow anything but the most productive beans (often times least flavorful beans).I have talked to a handful of artisan chocolate makers who all agree that Fair Trade is a deterrent to biodiversity and quality. Many even go as far as to say that Fair Trade is a guarantee of commodity grade beans. Any thoughts in that regard?Thanks,Matt
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
03/08/10 08:07:14
1,689 posts

Unfair Trade: Is Fair Trade Scalable?


Posted in: Opinion

Another reason why FairTrade fails is that it's not scalable on the producer side.

As I mentioned in my original post Unfair Trade in Belize - How Kraft Shafts Cocoa Farmers , the international FairTrade organization (FLO - FairTrade Labeling Organization, headquartered in Bonn, Germany) says that there were 746 certified producer organizations in 59 countries in their 2008-2009 annual report - after more than a decade of work. Again, as I asked above, if Fair Trade (as institutionalized by FLO) is so great, how come it's not more successful on the producer side?

One reason is that the certification process itself is not scalabl e. Individual farmers are not certified because the entity looking to be certified has to pay fees - the initial certification fee and annual re-certification fees. The fact that the producer organizations have to pay fees to be a part of Fair Trade is not widely known among the general public and the relatively high cost of certification is certainly a barrier to entry.

Another, more systemic, barrier to the expansion of Fair Trade, is the certification process itself. Certification requires certifiers. Trained certifiers. Paid, trained certifiers - who incur travel and other expenses.

Let's take the case of the Ivory Coast. There are an estimated 600,000 cacao farms in the Ivory Coast. For the sake of argument, if we organize Ivorian cocoa farmers into co-ops of 200 farmers each, there would be 3,000 co-ops. Certification is annual, and let's say that one certifier can certify one co-op per week. In order to handle the certification load - just for cocoa, just in the Ivory Coast - it's necessary to have 60 full-time certifiers working 50 weeks a year: for one crop in one country, to achieve 100% certification.

What would 100% certification mean for the individual farmer? Probably not much, as we can see from the TCGA example in Belize, because few co-ops (let alone farmers) have direct access to an export market. The Fair Trade premium on cocoa amounts to just 8% at the floor price (US$1800/tonne) and is about 5% at the current price (US$3200/tonne). The assumption that as the price increases the farmer automatically earns more is clearly erroneous - at least when it comes to cocoa. When government cocoa boards control prices and access to export markets (or there is a contractual agreement that limits market price volatility as is the case with the TCGA in Belize), producers are insulated from the market and have no pricing leverage.

More tellingly, there is no place in the FairTrade standards that focuses on improving quality or agricultural practices that could improve yield. Showing farmers how to take care of their farms (basic pruning, how to care for diseased trees and fruits, etc.) has shown to be able to more than double yields on existing land, reducing the pressure to "pioneer farm" (slash and burn new forest). A focus on improving post-harvest processing techniques improves the quality of the cocoa offered on the market. However, as long as the producer does not have direct access to markets, there is no way to extract any income from improvements in quality.

The focus on certification (to the producer - "You have to prove that you are following our rules, but we don't have to help you in any way by providing information that would make you better farmers") is a travesty in my opinion.

Another travesty is the layers of expensive bureaucracy that have developed over the years. FLO sits at the top of the pyramid in Bonn. There is a World Fair Trade Organization, a Fair Trade Advocacy Office, and more. FairTrade worldwide relies on government support - so some taxpayers (in Switzerland, the UK, and Germany at least) are supporting FairTrade through their federal taxes in addition to paying FairTrade licensing fees when they purchase products.

Perhaps more disturbingly, it occurred to me when I re-read the annual report in preparing this post, is that there is a subtle disintermediation that is happening through the official language that has been adopted by FLO. Agricultural workers are no longer farmers. They are producers. They are not farmer co-ops, they are producer organizations. At one level I can understand this, as not all products that are FairTrade certified are agricultural products (there is a move to certify gold as FairTrade, for example).

Nonetheless, the language has literally dehumanized the supposed beneficiaries of FairTrade, at least among FairTrade officialdom. As consumers, we are marketed to that FairTrade benefits farmers, not producer organizations. I wonder how successful end-consumer marketing of FairTrade would be if all the marketing messages talked not of helping farmers and their families, but of helping producer organizations?

Probably not nearly so successful.

I am firm believer that you can't just be against something, you have to be for something in its place - otherwise shut up. About this time last year, I started another (private) network on Ning to discuss an alternative idea for FairTrade. There are already several members and quite a bit of discussion. As of right now, I am making the network public (subject to member moderation) to advance my ideas in this regard.

The network is called 5percent4farmers . The idea is to create a system that:

a) has the minimum of bureaucracy and overhead
b) does not charge farmers to take part
c) captures premiums for the farmer throughout the value chain - not just at the point of initial sale
d) is scalable
e) can benefit farmers everywhere in the world, not just "developing countries"
f) is completely transparent, using the power of the Internet for administration and oversight
g) encourages "voluntourism" as a component of oversight
h) works to provide farmers direct access to markets

If you are interested in learning more, I encourage you to visit the site and join to add your opinions. If anyone knows anyone interested in funding the development of the underlying software system needed to implement this, please let me know.

updated by @Clay Gordon: 04/18/15 18:29:03
Dirke Botsford
@Dirke Botsford
04/26/10 15:27:54
98 posts

Label ingredients? Nutrition Facts


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

thank you so much for this link! saved me a lot of time and frustration!
dale montondo
@dale montondo
03/15/10 18:05:11
10 posts

Label ingredients? Nutrition Facts


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I called the FDA. Since I don't use any meat products they referred me to the Dept of Ag. and Mkts. I called them and They told me I was talking to the correct Dept.In order to sell in NYS I need an approved kitchen. A list of ingredients starting with the largest ingredient. A name on the packaging. Contact #'s and owner name.I was told If I met that I can sell anywhere I want. I should be able to verify that in about 4 weeks when I open my shop. My other inspections include the town code, fire marshal, and town Supervisor. Also Certificate of authority to collect taxes. Insurance in case someone gets sick. Then it's time to see the business attorney. This is what I have to do in NY. If I require more or less I will post when I open for business.
Brendan
@Brendan
03/08/10 05:41:24
21 posts

Label ingredients? Nutrition Facts


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

No matter how small you are you have to list your ingredients (and net weight, btw). You also need to specify any of the major allergens of which your product could contain traces. The exemption you mention is for the Nutrition Facts label--you don't have to do this until you sell over a certain amount per year. Which is handy, cause it will cost a few bucks to get that info together. The FDA has a guide dedicated to labeling requirements that goes into serious detail.
MelodyB
@MelodyB
03/07/10 23:13:31
8 posts

Label ingredients? Nutrition Facts


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi,I can't speak for food exactly but I know in cosmetics that all ingredients must be listed on the packaging.I've had extensive experience with the FDA on cosmetics and know first hand that ignorance is never an excuse.I quickly looked at the FDA website and here is a link to a few pages that list all of the guidelines: http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/GuidanceDocuments/FoodLabelingNutrition/default.htm When I have time I am going to read these CFR as it looks like there are some exceptions to the rules.21 CFR 101.9(j)(1) and 21 CFR 101.36(h)(1) a http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/GuidanceDocuments/FoodLabelingNutrition/UCM053857 am interest to hear other people that are already selling chocolate's experiences and advice as well!Best of luck to you,Melody
Karen H.
@Karen H.
03/07/10 09:35:00
4 posts

Label ingredients? Nutrition Facts


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I"m getting such a run around on this topic even call FDA but the hold for an answer is taking hours. But my question is do we have to put all ingriendents on our products once we start selling online or in person even is your a very small bus? Also do we have to put the Nutritin Facts and if so do anyone have a lead on how to do this? I was ready to launch my site when it came to mind and don't want to put myself in any hot water before I get started.

I thought I read somewhere if you have less than 10 full time employees and make and sales few than 10,000 units you are exempt. (NY) just want to be clear.

Thanks a bunch


updated by @Karen H.: 04/11/25 09:27:36
steve5
@steve5
03/10/13 21:24:44
5 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

hola , I am looking some info were to buy ,products for panning ,,,, like what the name of the product , and puts on the shine ,any info would be great , thanks steve

Mike3
@Mike3
11/26/12 08:34:01
63 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Wondering if you can offer some advice---I just started playing around with panning, and I am not able to get the coated centers (coffee beans, in my case) to polish. I'm using the kitchen aid attachment, and each half has two metal ribs welded in---do i need to add more for polishing or is that what those are for? I'm also trying to avoid any coatings for polishing, which i understand is possible, though I don't believe it yet :)

Kerry
@Kerry
03/11/11 10:28:18
288 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

It would be the plastic tubing that you might get at a make your own wine place - used for decanting the wine into bottles. You want something considered food grade.
updated by @Kerry: 09/08/15 06:03:11
Dana Rebarchick
@Dana Rebarchick
03/11/11 07:17:59
1 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


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I am fairly new at this and trying to figure the process out. When you say plastic tubing can you please tell me a little more about what this means? I assume it is something I can get at a hardware store?
updated by @Dana Rebarchick: 01/22/15 13:07:45
Hilal ÇAKMAK
@Hilal ÇAKMAK
02/24/11 01:50:09
1 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hello,

we are producer hazelnut and chocolate process equipment.


The Laboratory Type Pres Using For Obtaining Hazelnut Oil.

Hazelnut/cocoa bean cutting unit

http://innovas.com.tr/english/urunler/giyotin/Cutting_Unit.pdf

chocolate cooling system

Scraped surface heat exchanger

http://innovas.com.tr/english/index.htm

The Laboratory Type Chopping Machine For Agricultural Producs Nuts Etc

Hzelnut cutting andchopping units with sieving

etc...

http://innovas.com.tr

info@innovas.com.tr

thanks in advance

Hilal akmak

sales engineer

Kerry
@Kerry
01/21/11 05:25:54
288 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

You can ridge your pan by taping plastic tubing in it.
Kerry
@Kerry
01/21/11 05:24:36
288 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Andal - that's exciting news. Will it have heating and cooling air or just turn?
Andal Balu
@Andal Balu
01/20/11 21:23:24
16 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

We at cocoatown.com are working on a panning attachment for the small melangers to be used by scale chocolatiers. We are testing the attachment and will send you more information soon.

Kerry
@Kerry
01/20/11 17:44:40
288 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

To get the shine without chemicals - you need to let the product sit overnight then put back in the pan - 48 C air is blown in with pan rotating. You are listening for quiet - once it gets quiet you pick a piece up and see if it is squishable (ie the chocolate becomes plastic). Once you reach this point you start adding cold air again (13-15 C) for about an hour until the product shines.
Benoit N
@Benoit N
01/20/11 15:19:25
14 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


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Dear Kerry,

Thank you so much for your advise. I will try that tomorrow and will keep you up to date.

Benoit

PS: have you got some advises to get the shine on the product without chemical stuff?

Kerry
@Kerry
01/20/11 14:35:09
288 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

You need to add the chocolate slowly (and not tempered). The product (ie hazelnuts) need to be cooled in some way while you add the layers of chocolate. So either some dry ice, or an air conditioner blowing cold air into the pan.
Benoit N
@Benoit N
01/20/11 11:05:44
14 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hello

I have just started experiments on my new coating pan. Is there anyone out there that could help me?

I put my hazelnuts into the pan, then pour the tempered chocolate...all began to mix...and a few minutes later, everything began to stick...and I got, a big "ball' of choco-hazelnuts"...horrifying...what is the problem do you think? How to avoid that? Is it a matter of spinning speed? of amount of material in the pan?

Thank you

Benoit

Glenn Knowles
@Glenn Knowles
01/17/11 18:44:06
19 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thank you very much. I'll give Dave a call.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
01/17/11 15:06:15
754 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Centerchem is a great resource. Dave Jordan's your go-to guy with them.
Glenn Knowles
@Glenn Knowles
01/17/11 13:55:49
19 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Do you have any recommended suppliers for the coatings (glaze, food shellac, etc.)?
Andy Ciordia
@Andy Ciordia
01/14/11 07:11:15
157 posts

Chocolate Panning, process and equipment


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hey Bob, how'd your education, equipment procurement, and first steps go? We're looking into panning but probably not on the scale you are.
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